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Thread Title: medical set aside
Created On Sunday February 15, 2009 9:24 PM


angelforIw
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Sunday February 15, 2009 9:24 PM

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hello...

on the medical set aside...the amount place in this account and hasn't touch for 3 years or more - will i get this amount?

thank you...

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STEVEPSCA@YAHOO.COM
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Nope...the money has to stay in the setaside account in the event you do need it.
That money is there to protect Medicare interests...not the IW.

In the past, where a physican/PTP could justify treatment was needed at less frequency, and/or less in need, you could request up to 25% reduction in the amount remaining in the account, This could be done once every 5 years.
The CMS/Medicare folks have changed that rule and no longer can a WCMSA be reduced.



<< The August 25, 2008 memorandum states that this provision of the July 11, 2005 memorandum is rescinded, effective immediately. The memorandum goes on to state that [s]ection 1862(b)(2) of the Social Security Act (the Act) (42 USC 1395y(b)(2)) requires that Medicare payment may not be made for any item or service to the extent that payment has been made under a workers compensation (WC) law or plan. Medicare does not pay for an individuals WC related medical services when that individual received a WC settlement, judgment or award that includes funds for future medical expenses, until all such funds are properly expended.

Thus, even if the future required medical care for a settling claimant turns out to be less involved or costly than originally anticipated, CMS will require that the settlements allocation to future medical expenses be frozen as of the time of settlement. Once the MSA amount is set and the settlement is final, the MSA will need to be funded in full from the portion of the settlement payment allocated to future medical expenses of the type normally covered by Medicare. Medicare will not cover any future, injury-related medical expenses after that point until the entire MSA amount has been properly exhausted.
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More discussion on this is available in this bulletin...http://www.jjcelderlaw.com/August25-08CMSMemoMSABull.htm

Question though... IF at the time of your settlement, and a WCMSA was required, that would indicate some severity in your condition requiring additional treatment... WHY for the past 3 years have you not sought treatment for your injury.
Hopefully the answer is you have 'recovered' sufficiently so as not to find a need....(?)


Edited: Monday February 16, 2009 at 6:27 AM by STEVEPSCA@YAHOO.COM

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angelforIw
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Monday February 16, 2009 10:06 AM

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thank you stevespca. My question...

Still waiting for MSA approval from the CMS.

If I die can my spouse as beneficiary get the full amount from my medicare set aside.It is my money anyway from my structured settlement.

Can I use my medical set aside to buy a ramp van and scooter? since it was approved by my workkers comp doctor before we settled. thank you.

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STEVEPSCA@YAHOO.COM
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You said....


<< the amount place in this account and hasn't touch for 3 years or more....THEN....Still waiting for MSA approval from the CMS. >>



Which is it..? If you are 'still waiting' on CMS... HOW can there be money in a WCMSA now.. ?
Regardless... it is not in your best interest to settle a claim BEFORE you have the approval letter from CMS/Medicare with the determination, IF you need a setaside, and HOW MUCH money is required to fund the account.

Additionally, as you can only use those funds for services Medicare would 'normally be responsible for', you also need a WCMCA/WC Medical Custodial Account. That is money, you don't have to account to CMS for annually, that is used to pay for those services you can't use the setaside fund for...eg. co-pays, deductibles, and any other items, such as the ramp and/or scooter. Medicare will require you to pay out of pocket 20% 'co insurance' for those items...that money can't come from the setaside account.



<< It is my money anyway from my structured settlement. >>



Yes, when you die, if there are funds remaining in the account, those monies would go to your estate. But only after the final accounting to CMS/Medicare has been approved.

You should understand though, the money you receive for future medical treatment, and/or a setaside account is not actually part of your 'award' for your injury. If there were no need for the WCMSA, you would not have received that money in the first place.
Your 'award' in a WC settlement is the indemnity associated with the PD/WPI rating...the amount of impairment due to your injury.



<< Can I use my medical set aside to buy a ramp van and scooter? since it was approved by my workkers comp doctor before we settled >>


The payment for treatment/services/durable medical equipment you may need due to your injury isn't provided based on the 'approval' of your PTP, but that of the ER/IC/CA after the UR process has been used to determine medical necessity.

If your ramp/scooter have been approved through the process... then Why would you be paying for these out of your setaside account ?
If it's authorized prior to the settlement, then the ER/IC should be providing the items.

Still waiting for MSA approval from the CMS
For WHAT ?
If you are waiting for approval to reduce the amount in the setaside account... it's not going to happen.
If you are waiting for the approval letter on the account... then the ER/IC is still holding liability for any FMT you need.

If you haven't actually 'settled' this claim... you should be discussing with your AA ALL of the associated issues regarding the actual WCMSA, and WCMCA accounts. At this point, from what you are providing here, this isn't in your best interests.

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