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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Sunday December 11, 2005 9:31 AM

Yep Yep Sophia you are so naieve. So you think communication etc is the key? You have not seen my claim so you can not talk!

Let's start with communication: I TOLD MY SUPERVISOR I WAS INJURED SHE DID NOTHING! 5 MONTHS LATER WHEN MY OWN HEALTH INSURER FOUND OUT THEY FORCED THE WC CLAIM!

When I asked for a claim, since my health ins forced it, my supervisor threw it at me and said, "Well if it is a work comp claim I have never heard of such a thing." (In regards to the type of injury)

When I asked for help filling out the form she said, "You will have to do it yourself" angerily.

Where I worked there was absolutely no posting of what to do in the event of a work injury or where to call or contact. I knew nothing about work comp then. I worked for the military grinding a hard punch where many civilians can not even go. Part of the work problem was the grueling hours and work load since few people could even pass the security clearance to begin the job.

So yes I arranged for our military members to get from the battlefield to home and back. Little that you did! And, most of these guys were eger to return to the field. Not all of us workers are looking to malinger and stay out of work. I have had to pass up job opportunities in other states with the CIA etc while I attempt to streighten this crap out in California because it would be impossible in Washington D.C. or Iraq. Though things have changed in Iraq and they are not sending my work over there anymore.

I am sick of your one sided bashing of which you generalize and don't even know of what you speak. Knock it off! Have some respect for the fact that some of us get into beehives of which we want no part of. In the meantime, I have had to watch my career go down the toilet.

You have your bias and I have mine. Leave it there!

Edited: Sunday December 11, 2005 at 1:07 PM by injuredworker101@yahoo.com

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SophaKingWhat
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Monday December 12, 2005 1:05 AM

InjuredWorker ... What is your problem? What makes you think YOUR injury is the most untreated, YOUR claim is the worst handled, and YOUR losses are greater than anyone elses? If that is not enough, NOW you announce to everyone here, on a public forum, how you've passed up opportunities to work with the CIA? The CIA? Do you have one iota of a clue what the process entails to work for the CIA? Uhhhhhhhh, nope. I seriously doubt it. First off, the CIA doesn't have any openings for folks who run their mouths; it's a hush-hush sort of environment at the CIA. Enough.

Now, what do you need people to say to make it all bettere for you, hmm? Oh, you've been victimized by the bad, bad insurance company and none of where you are now is your fault, right? Of course not. No claim in the history of claims has even come close to how terribly yours has been handled, right? Wrong. Get off your narcisistic soapbox and quit your whining because it sounds stupid and pathetically rediculous. If I were a Claims Examiner, I'd investigate the hell out of you because you're probably a gigantic, time-consuming pain-in-the-neck. Think about all the other IW's who have had to wait because YOU were busy being stupid and calling the Examiner to request a female investigator because you were scared??? I would think the military pays wages at least at a level that would allow you to live in a safe neighborhood, but they must be picking on you too, right? Right. It must be a conspiracy against you~which, explains the CIA, maybe? Hmmmm ...

Lastly, not that I'm going to plaster my PERSONAL work comp situation online in detail, but just to prove a point to you that there are OTHER WAYS to achieve the best final resolution to a woirk related injury ... In MY situation, my Supervisor was a shmuck, too. Except, I was FIRED when I inquired about my enrollment in the employer-sponsored health plan that I should have been enrolled in two months earlier but wasn't. When I told them I had these two seperate pains that got worse with each assignment, and that I really wanted my health insurance so I could go see a Dr. before I end up with permanant problems ... I was fired. My employer did not give me the DWC-1 claim form, but they did send me the Form 5020 Employer's First Report of Injury which I filled out and sent back to them and to the WCAB with my Applications and 2 DWC-1's that I got for myself. My employer didn't post signs either, so I went online to research work related injuries & terminated employment and I guess I got lucky and found WCC where forms were available and where Professional;s communicated in forums that served me best when I just lurked and read relevant posts and asked questions when I was unsure of how to proceed. I don't think I ever ranted & raved about how bad I had it because no one wants to babysit me or hold my hand. And although I didn't work for the CIA, and my job didn't entail bringing our soldiers home, my job did require that I work in my car for long hours without potty breaks or lunch breaks, so guess what I did? I used COMMON SENSE and did what I thought the AVERAGE, REASONABLE PERSON MIGHT DO ... I broke policies that were unsanitary and I departed for the nearest McD's or whatever hole-in-the-wall restroom I could find first and I washed my hands and got back as quick as possible so that some sorry claimant like yourself couldn't sneak off to go lawn bowling or to jazzercize class or some rediculous garbage like that. My claims Adjuster is a pain-in-my-neck, too. He has failed miserably in his responsibilities by paying my TTD very, very untimely and at 1/3 of what was actually due on a weekly basis, by failing to send me to a Dr. until 4 months later, late pay of PD and VR, alkteration of PD paid previously making it VR to avoid paying me, non issueance of all kinds of required letters-NOPE, NONE, etc.-which have resulted in about 7 1/2 months of VRTD OUTSIDE THE CAP at the CORRECT RATE and I'm sure the Judge will award appropriate PENALTIES & INTEREST when the time comes.

I know I'm just one of a million, not like you who thinks you're one in A million. Get over yourself, quit looking for a fight because I think it's a waste of web space to keep this up. Let's agree to disagree and MOVE ON! I'm sorry you're having to suffer from your work injury; it isn't right. But quit whining about it and maybe you'll see some different results. File for a hearting and seek WCAB intervention if you've exhausted all known avenues and are self represented. If you have an Attorney, keep in touch with them, inquire. If the Attorney isn't doing their job, get another one who will. Just remember that you are NOT the ONLY ONE who they are serving. Applicant Attorneys sometimes get paid NOTHING for a case that's proven to be without merit. Then when they are paid, it's capped out at a measly 12% to 15% max. There's so much more than just YOU and YOUR LOSSES so YOU KNOCK IT OFF! No more on this thread, ok? It's been beaten enough. Good luck to you and I hope things get better for you and for anyone else whose lives have been dsisrupted by work comp.

Do something effective to move it forward or sit and whine about it and go nowhere. Your choice. Later.

Melanie

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Monday December 12, 2005 10:37 AM

It is clearly apparent that your frame of reference influences your thoughts.

I do not intend to get into a cat fight here with you. It may be entertaining for readers, or maybe not, but we both have litigmate thoughts and findings. You however were the one throwing fuel on the fire.

So as Ginger says "play in your own part of the playground, I'm not playing."

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Thursday December 15, 2005 1:16 PM

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Thursday December 15, 2005 2:11 PM

My own experience, "selective filming." They were good for filming me out in the yard, but failed to film the paid gardner on the same day, near the same time. Remember they are attempting to prove the IC side not yours. From there, it is your word against their "what they consider honest" word. So be wary of money left lying in the street along the path you travel with someone watching closely. Who's to say they put it there, unless you saw them do it? And even then, its your word against theirs. So then it boils down to who does the judge believe? Carry a camera with you everywhere you go. I do.

P.I's are no different than the doctors who write the reports in this game. WC is the most crooked system to ever get into. Everybody seems to have motive. The better job you do, the more work you will get. And, does the IW give work to the P.I.?

So honesty is a real issue in my bank.

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STEVEPSCA@YAHOO.COM
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Thursday December 15, 2005 3:58 PM

The ONLY time you should be concerned about an investigator following you is IF you are doing things that you say you cannot do in the course of your employment.
Otherwise, you have nothing to worry about. Even bending over to pick up money on the street has no bearing on your case...that is not something you would be doing in the course of your job.
IF you say you cannot carry over 5 or 10 pounds and you are filmed carrying your 3year old child around the amuzement park or through the grocery store for an extended period of time, you'd have a problem.
Do not concern yourself with the PI. They are not there to harrass you, in fact you would barely know of their presence until you were told you have been the subject of sub rosa films.

I have never seen any "case law" or mention in the Labor Code regarding the use of a private investigator. They have their own licensing board and regs they must follow.
Again...do not concern yourself, you paranoia will eventually begin to get the better of you.

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Thursday December 15, 2005 6:07 PM

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STEVEPSCA@YAHOO.COM
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Saturday December 17, 2005 5:54 AM

Any sub rosa file would be sent to your attorney, the CA and eventually to a QME/AME when a med legal report is requested...that's all.
Actually your case is not that significant that a DA or CA would show it to "everyone and their brother"....relax. From what you describe there's nothing wrong with what you have done, if is perfectly fine to "rehabilitate" yourself...and expected. There should be improvement after treatment/surgery.
You should continue to be as active as possible within your doctors orders/restrictions.

"hould i put all that spy vs. spy crap out of my head?"...YES...definately.
Sounds like you are doing everything right...keep it up, it will be easier to "move on" from this.

Best to you in your recovery.

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Saturday December 17, 2005 8:10 AM

You know Steve in the most part I agree with others on this matter.

However, the defense QME makes a big deal out of the films they have on me. He finds that since I can stand and talk outside that is pure proof that my shoulders are not hurting. I know when this is soon shown in court it will be considered as to its creditability. The point being investagators aside, the defense QME in my case has murdered the films. As an example, the P.I.'s film their odometer of mileage at the beginning of the day. The next day they film again. So he says since I drove 450 miles in one day I am not injured. Where's the proof that I went anywhere? I didn't. They filmed my house all day. And the next day the mileage shows I drove 30,000 miles in one day. It is a different car and different team member of the survailance team. He doesn't even realize that.

I am jaded in this because I have not been treated fairly in this. So that is why I hold that it all depends on what they do with their interpertation of the films. So to say don't worry is the same as saying the defense QME will only say what is there. I don't buy it as I have seen the proof in my own claim. The films according to the reporter (defense QME) can be made to murder you.

I am jet propelled since I drive all those miles in one day. He also gives the grear shifts letters as my car license plate. It took me awhile to figure that one out. License plate: PRND21. So that is what identifies my car. It is the P.I.'s car gear shift. That is not my license plate!

So you can see what actually is done with these films, I tell you this: It doesn't matter if you are in the sun or the shade it is proof of something and since they paid for it believe me they milk it. Or at least they have milked it in my case.

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STEVEPSCA@YAHOO.COM
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Saturday December 17, 2005 8:23 AM

Any good PTP, QME,AME can write a report that will refute those films in about 3 or 4 sentences. Most sub rosa films are not even admitted into evidence or shown at trial. Only the reports are, the judge isn't interested in seeing films. Unless there is obviouse evidence of fraud. In which case the IC/ER would have filed charges with the District Attornreys' office, and that would be another matter entirely.

You most of all who post here should realize that the IC's make IW's aware to these films to intimidate us...and it works, because everyong gets so fired up over this.
I had films taken of me...walking across the street carrying a VCR under my arm...supposedly it was me, I never saw the tapes...but there was a moving van outside my apt building so the PI assumed I was moving. I did in fact move, but about 2 months later. By the way, I didn't own a VCR at that time...
He also filmed me having a cigarette outside in the parking lot of a preious employer...assume I was "working" there again...well, I was...with my AME's knowledge, without pay, ...it was OK'ed because we wanted to see how much of the day I could sustain. The PI just happened to be on my case at that time. The AME refuted this, and the films were thrown out.

I will continue to maintain...IF you are not doing something that you have said you cannot do because of your injury, you have nothing to concern or worry yourself over. That simple...that easy...(as Ginger would say...)

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Saturday December 17, 2005 11:51 AM

You're right Steve: intimidation. Thank you that feels good and safe. But I really don't want to play the game. All I want is to get my treatment and get out. Does everybody's claim end up 10 years? This is rediculeous.

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art
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Saturday December 17, 2005 1:41 PM

Stevepsca and mine are both at the 11-year mark and still on-going.

Six-months ago I offered you at least 5-6 creative ideas to help address the PI's snooping around. They included putting dated Post-It Notes next to your trucks odometer and having a pizza delivered to them while they sat in their car. While the pizza idea was just a humorous way to put them on notice that you knew they were there, the Post-Its would've helped address the discontiguous date/mileage issue you repeatedly raise concerns about. For some reason you dismissed every idea I offered. While I'm not saying they were great ideas that would've completely solved your problem, they were simple and practical and would've at least partially addressed the issue.

Why you chose to dismiss them out-of-hand I don't know. What I do know is the same old complaints continue to be raised. While I can't condone being placed under the scrutiny of a PI and certainly are empathetic to your plight, you might have less to complain about if you'd tried a few of the ideas instead of blowing them off. Since you've never mentioned having tried any of them in your many posts on the subject since they were presented, I can only surmise you've still never given them a chance.

BTW: You do know I was only kidding when I suggested you distract them so your neighbor's kid could swipe their hubcaps?

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Saturday December 17, 2005 2:38 PM

11 years huh...sounds like a lot like malingering to me...pehaps a PI should be investigating you. You holding out until the IC gets so tired of your butt that they pay you what you really don't deserve anyway just to get rid of your sorry butt? 11 years??? What a freakin' joke...you are. You typed that as if you are proud and wearing it like a badge.

Talk about giving IWs a bad name.

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Saturday December 17, 2005 3:03 PM

Art I must say you are always seeming to nit pick me.

I have no way of placing post it notes on THEIR odomoter. So let's just leave it there. I am not continuing to tell the same story since I have not posted that part on these forums before.

So you really need to take a deep breath and stop puffing out your chest.

By the way, when you have the money to send down here to buy the pizza for these guys send it on down. I have good uses for it. Meanwhile you all can have your little tropical summer party without me of course. I am not a part of your clique.

I am just as equal to the rest and can discuss what I want and need here just as you or anybody else. And, I should be able to do that without the wrath of Khan coming behind me.

You are a man, I a woman. We both have our own feelings seperate but equal to the P.I. following scheme.

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Saturday December 17, 2005 3:34 PM

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Saturday December 17, 2005 4:10 PM

Rumbler,

They know where you are going because they pick you up at a doctors appointment, a WCAB hearing or at the end or beginning of a deposition. Because chances are like every other human being you consolidate your errands and as long as you are out you may go pick up the bathroom sink for that bathroom you are remodleing.

Otherwise it is pure dumb luck.

You need NOT stress about it.

The illegal side of PI -- they may not step on your property, but yes they may use a zoom lens in certain circumstances.

They can dump your trash once it hits the streets. Trash dumps are far more educational then usual film.

They may not "entrap" you, although for all of the claimants who get caught doing private housekeeping, more than one claims examiner "tongue-in-cheek" has volunteered there house.

The investigator may not sit down while a co-worker films him getting his haircut by the person working at a salon. However, they can sit down and film you cutting someone else's hair. The cameras are in briefcases and purses. Google spywear for kicks and giggles, if you ever wanted to join the CIA when you were a kid, imagine you do have access to the coolest, most covert filming equipment.

This whole thread has gone through hysterics I have never imagined, which is why I stayed out of it for the most part.

As an injured worker, the Koreans in the liquor store across from my apartment, called me to tell me that the "man in the van" asked permission to sit in their parking lot and watch me. What the "man in the van" did not know was that I had foiled a robbery by a little cholo when I smacked him over the head with a bottle of grey goose, what a waste of vodka. I sent the man in the van lunch via my children and I used to tell him exactly where I was going with notes the same way. I.E. I am going to my tai chi class at the park behind, just an FYI the neurosurgeon told me it is the best physical therapy for my back. Please don't freak the rest of my class out. The best filming advantage is at "Main" street.

If the PI intends to be on a public street for an extended period of time, they notify the police they are there and not stalking inthe neighborhood.

The only sanity in this thread is from Sophia King What who has shared her investigative techniques previously and StevePA and Art who repeatedly say what I say. Let them film, I say come on in and watch..... Because when I testify I will tell you what I can do no medication and what I can't. Which is exactly what I did. I won't leave any thing out, because if you ask me if I can do anything I will say yes. I can do almost anything because I am a gutsy suck it up kind of broad. Now the next day super girl may be limping around the house or flat on her arse from the arduous work, but yes I have moved refrigerators with my disc herniations because my house needed moving.

The key here as I have stated a billion times before, is the minute you hand over your personal power in the stress and worry of every frigging detail of what is going to happen tomorrow, you have lost every battle you need to wage. SO stand up, do what you need to do , when the time comes TESTIFY, that you participate in every activity of daily living with the benefit of medication and you pay for it the next day by doubling up meds and crying yourself to sleep because NOTHING will touch the pain, but were you going to tell your daughter you were not dancing at her wedding? OWN it, take the best care of yourself humanly possible. Walk with as much grace, integrity and dignity as you can muster in this bureaucratic nightmare. Then dust your self out and get out of Dodge (the entire work comp system) as fast as you can.

If you do not have your personal power intact you will not be able to operate as a reasonable human being on the medical and legal sides of your case, which are the only parts that matter. Get the best you can get and then forget the rest.

Oh and because I have turned into Bill Nye the science guy, compulsive worriers have healing rates less than smokers......so worrying has never done anyone any good. I am not telling you to not listen to your intuition, but when you listen make sure you know if it is the dark side or the light side talking.

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Saturday December 17, 2005 4:42 PM

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Saturday December 17, 2005 6:17 PM

"Art I must say you are always seeming to nit pick me."-- Not so. You've made this accusation before back in a thread on seeking treatment in other countries. When I called you on it and asked for examples to substantiate your allegations you didn't present any, instead you deleted your post(s) and were very scarce on the forum for awhile. If I were nit-picking I wouldn't have let that slide, I would have kept on you to prove your allegations. (BTW: Go back and read the comments about my education you made there. If I were nit-picking I wouldn't have let those erroneous assumptions go unaddressed.)

"I have no way of placing post it notes on THEIR odomoter."-- No one ever suggested you should, it's YOUR odometer we talked about and that you mentioned above that is being photographed. My mention of it above "They included putting dated Post-It Notes next to your trucks odometer" clearly states YOUR odometer not THEIR as you state. Why are you misquoting it? I've not edited that post so your mischaracterization of it cannot be questioned. Now, is this nit-picking or is it simply pointing out an error of fact? I still maintain that this technique could have helped address the problem and still wonder why, if it is so distressing and disturbing to you, you didn't take a simple step that possibly could have helped mitigate the issue.

"I am not continuing to tell the same story since I have not posted that part on these forums before."-- Of course not, I even noted that since you've never mentioned any of the ideas I was assuming you'd still not tried any of them. Therefore you needn't defend yourself against something I didn't say. The "same story" I was alluding to is the repeated bemoning of the PI's being on your case while failing to act on constructive tips that could help mitigate your predicament. If you don't take simple steps in your own self-interest...

"So you really need to take a deep breath and stop puffing out your chest."-- OK, I try real hard to focus upon facts but if you want to attack character then I can too! Personally I think you enjoy playing the victum, feeling persecuted and derive some sort of satisfaction in describing how everybody in WC has screwed you. If you re-read the posts in this thread you'll see some vieiled and not so veiled allusions to this from some other posters here so I'm not alone in this perception. I think if the PI's went away you'd be disappointed. Frankly, this is the reason I quit speaking to you on the phone. It became painfully obvious that you weren't as interested in finding constructive solutions as you were in perpetually reliving how you've been 'done wrong' in one instance or another.

Many things have happened in your case that are regrettable and wrong, but instead of moving on you wallow in your misery. Barely a post of yours goes by that doesn't reiterate in self-torturing detail some instance where someone screwed you. I've seen many replies that failed to address the original posters issues but instead appeared to be just another opportunity for you to whine. I've actually come to feel trepidation opening your posts because of the high probability it'll contain yet another bitter recantation of a story I've heard over and over and over. I've held my tongue before because I feel sorry for the predicament you're in and have compassion as a human-being, but if I'm gonna' be accused of personally attacking you and "... puffing out my chest" then you might as well actually get a taste of what I'm being accused of.

I'm sorry to have to say it, and if I were into "nit-picking" with you as you alledge, I've have said something long before now. Personally, I think your belief that I've some agenda against you has the same basis as your relentless, self-imposed pity-party. If it was based in fact your could have provided the examples and proof when you've been asked to support your allegations. That you never do speaks to the genesis of your conclusion.

"By the way, when you have the money to send down here to buy the pizza for these guys send it on down."-- When this suggestion was made to you six-months ago you'd just bought a new hard-drive, paid for a domain name, had a web-site designed, entered into a web-hosting arrangement and had a ton of flyers printed up. The $10-12 for a medium pizza didn't appear to be an issue for something as seriously disruptive to you as you've made the PI's out to be! That the financial situation may be different now has no bearing on an issue raised six months prior.

"Meanwhile you all can have your little tropical summer party without me of course. I am not a part of your clique."-- There is no "clique" here, I propose your now professing alienation from a non-existant group is yet another example of self-indulgent pity. Why else the self-serving isolation from a non-existant entity?

"I am just as equal to the rest and can discuss what I want and need here just as you or anybody else."-- Of course you are, no one has said otherwise. Once again you're defending yourself against non-existant allegations. (Is it just me or is there a thread here?)

"And, I should be able to do that without the wrath of Khan coming behind me."-- Where 'O' where has "the wrath of Khan" ever befallen you here? The above critique would not exist except you have once again, without substantian, accused me of having a personal agenda against you. When you've done so in the past I've asked for examples to support your claims but none have been forthcoming. That, and the fact that others have disagreed with you but aren't accused in the same fashion I've been actually speaks more to the liklihood you have an agenda against me!

"You are a man, I a woman. We both have our own feelings seperate but equal to the P.I. following scheme."-- Of course I might feel different if i were a woman, but the fact that there are a great many women here and none (that I recall) have voiced similar concerns or chimed in in your support on the issue makes me wonder why your situation is so unique that you feel threatened. But I've never taken issue with that since it's none of my business anyway. It is, however, yet another example of you defending yourself on an issue I've never raised.

So please, either stop with your baseless accusations or support them with proof. I'm not a petty person and if I disagree with anyone I'll say so and offer my reasons why, but I don't disagree based on who the poster is. I'm sorry you think I'm that shallow. Perhaps you've forgotten the numerous times I've supported your opinion and/or offered advice I thought you'd find useful.

BTW: In the thread "Where's Art" I received a vote of confidence of sorts from the regular posters here, yet you were conspicuously absent. Go figure...!

Later...
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Saturday December 17, 2005 6:32 PM

Glad I could help out.

I have not seen any IW here yet prove up that any investigator did anything illegal, so I disagree there have been any real litigatable issues. Pain in the butt issues of having the world watch, sure, but any body with half a brain can tackle that with a great sense of humor and a little self confidence.

IT does occur I have seen it occur, but let me tell you defense attorneys bury those tapes as deep as they can. You don't have to submit any film you do not intend to use.

But Illegal enough to cause you harm???? NOT. Any defense attorney submitting that film that comes from illegal or even questionable tactics needs their head examined.

Just like in any profession in the planet - you know what, there are the good the bad and the ugly. IF you go with the MBA rule that means as far as investigators, claims examiners and injured workers go --- 20% are good, very good, 60% are so-so, and 20% are bad, very bad.

There was one incident in my 15 years of claims where the injured worker and the investigator got into a car accident. Guess who paid for that? The work comp insurance company because the injured worker was on his way to a physician visit.

SO what harm has actually befallen anyone here??? Nothing they did not make up in their own heads. Anyone on this board is well aware of what I say, if you are on TTD for more than 6 months, expect to have a tail.

Investigators are licensed and bonded by the state, after you have read the Civil Code of Procedure, understand evidentiary rules, understand the Business and Professions Code, y'all come on back here. I will write the complaint for you if anyone proves to me any real harm.

Paranoia and neurosis are not harm, they are your pre-existing conditions. There is just too much weight given to this dang film. And the film fails in the categories above -- 20% is good very good, 60% is so-so (is not moving the case any where) and 20% is not worth the film it is on. Might as well torch 80% of it for all the good it does us. But knowing about the 20% of very good film and keeping it public just keeps everbody a little more honest.

Don't know who said it, but someone famous said something like -- Integrity is if you behave like someone is watching. Not quite the quote, but you get what I mean.

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To know how to say what others only know how to think is what makes men poets or sages; and to dare to say what others only dare to think makes men martyrs or
reformers - or both. Elizabeth Charles

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andyourlittledogtoo
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Saturday December 17, 2005 6:32 PM

Art - where is that quote from? I must have it.

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"For a long time it had seemed to me that life was about to begin, real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. Then life would begin. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life." Alfred D'Souza

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