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Created On Wednesday May 25, 2005 12:39 PM


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art
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Saturday December 17, 2005 6:41 PM

Rumbler,

You've got a good attitude. Personally I don't like the thought of PI's but I don't sweat them either. Gingers advice was dead on and included stories I haven't heard before. Hearing her comment about sending them lunch shows my suggesting IW send her's a pizza wasn't outta' line. I've known a person or two who were pumping up minor claims and trying to milk the system and it is those people we have too blame for IW's having a bad rep and the IC's needing to use PI's. (Although this doesn't justify their mis-use.)

I suggested IW use a neighbors kid to distract her PI so she could wedge a potato in their exhaust pipe. Harmless, but when they'd try to fire up the ol' Buick to follow her, it won't start. Keep it in mind for your own useage.

But seriously, unless you're really milking the system, you're better off viewing it as minor nuisance than a major threat.

Good Luck...
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art
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Saturday December 17, 2005 6:57 PM

ayldt,

Sorry, your post wasn't there when I started mine. I don't know its origin. It wasn't credited to any source and it's context was no help. If you find out please let me know!

Later...
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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Saturday December 17, 2005 6:57 PM

1. I do not intend to get into it with you Art this could go on and on.

2. I do not read every thread and do not stay on this forum as you constantly do.

3. I do not even know what you are talking about in some sort of what was said in the past, since I am not addicted to constantly reading as you must be. There are times I am here and times I am not.

4. I thought you said you were not going to post on this forum anymore?

5. I do not need to address you or say a word as to where's Art. Art said he was leaving and not posting again. Your feelings must be hurt...oh dear!

6. I post when I want, and read when I want. So if I stay away for some time, there may or may not be a reason for it. However, I never posted a good bye and came right back to pick apart people as you just did.

7. The issue on the phone between you and I was in how I should spend my money and who I should give my business to: Your friend, absent any of my needs. You failed to listen to me accused me of lieing when we spoke of two different types of pieces of paper. You failed to be able to tell the difference. Then you hung up the phone in one of your manic episodes. How shallow! How self serving!

8. So leave me alone!!!

9. In the interests of this forum, I will not address anymore of this with you. It is totally inappropiate to carry this out here.

10. Last but not least such a breech of trust I just read in your post above. What went on in a private phone conversation was just spuewed all over a public forum. Shame on you. Is this what it takes to make you sound creditable? This is worse than a cat war! Take your medicine and quite being so manic!

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Saturday December 17, 2005 7:06 PM

And Ginger that is good advise. What I have complained of all along is what their side does with the interpertation. That was the most shocking part.

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rumbler
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Saturday December 17, 2005 7:17 PM

Edited: Friday February 03, 2006 at 12:44 AM by rumbler

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andyourlittledogtoo
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Saturday December 17, 2005 7:36 PM

Art - well, now I'm going to have to find it.

Most films, as I've said before, never see the light of day because they are useless. But sometimes we hit some really useful film. Like the lady who consistently said she was completely unable to lift more than five pounds or move her arm above waist level, needed someone to do all her housework and shopping and a driver, etc. We found her in a bowling tournament, night after night bowling for hours as her team worked their way up the ranks. When he doctor saw that film he seriously reconsidered what she was self-reporting and changed her restrictions. Another guy said he was practically incapacitated and unable to walk without a cane and couldn't lift more than ten pounds etc. We found him competing in Mr America type contest and the guy was seriously muscly and lifting several hundred pounds every day during his four to five hour intense workouts preparing for the competition. But of course he couldn't work.

We do ask for film over a period of days so the 'I worked hard that day but was unable to get out of bed the next' can be proven to either be a lie or not by finding out what the person acted like and did next.

But all of this means nothing if the AME or judge doesn't find it convincing, and it has to be very alarmingly out of restrictions and self-reported activity before either an AME or a judge will even consider it. Anything that is borderline is pretty much not worth the film it's taped on (Don't know how to say that digitally).

There's two sides to the issue, is all I'm saying.

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art
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Saturday December 17, 2005 7:43 PM

IW,

Once again you wuss out by failing to address the facts and instead claim you are too good to become involved. You make accusations then claim to be taking the high-road by not responding. The only one you're fooling is yourself.

Any party that is part of a conversation is free to relate it. I left out specifics you probably wouldn't want to see here. If I had an agenda against you your tirade above is good cause for me to just go ahead and list them now. But I don't.

I hate to disprove your hystrionic accusation, but the testing I've had to diagnose my ADHD conclusively ruled out bi-polar so "manic" is a non-issue on this end. But, since YOU'VE again made an unsubstantiated accusation and turn-about is fair-play, what about you?

Sorry you don't remember your prior posts, but if you were interested you could use the search function. And as far as me being obsessed with posting here, compare our numbers. I think it's safe to say you're here far more than I. Or is it only that rather than use the Edit button you frequently post 2-3 one sentence posts in a row? That would artifitially inflate the numbers...

Once again, repeatedly making your accusations w/o substantiating them is tantamount to admitting you CAN'T support them. I can support the ones I've made in my defense, why can't you support the ones you've made in your offense? If you're claming the moral high-ground or something then.

Until you FACTUALLY support your allegations they stand as baseless and without merit. Now either put up or shut up.

BTW" "Strategy" isn't spelled "Stradgeity" or however you insist on spelling it and for Christsake, it's "EXPEDITED" not "expeiadited" of which, you should know by now! Now that's nit-picking...

Later...
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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Saturday December 17, 2005 7:56 PM

Play in your own side of the sand box Art. I have spoken all that I will on this subject. I have proved my case.

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art
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Saturday December 17, 2005 7:59 PM

Yeah right...

If you think you've proved anything then you're gonna' be a deer in the headlights when you get to court.

Good Luck...

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Saturday December 17, 2005 8:02 PM

Holy crap fArt, I had you pegged perfectly. I should send you a bill.

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art
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Saturday December 17, 2005 8:31 PM

max,

Glad I make you feel comfortable with your personal delusions.

I should send you the bill, but I can't charge for charity work.

If you are only coming here for amusement (like you said in another thread) then your life must be horribly empty.

You sling cliched, stereotyped catch-phrases around with ease. Do you ever have any original thoughts of your own?

Yawn... You bore me now. It's just too easy...

Later...

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Sunday December 18, 2005 7:39 AM

Rumbler, this is a concern to me and I will help you with it if you would like:

After contemplation, I realize where my discomfort originates from; quite difficult to discuss, but after having been a victim of a sexual assault 15 years ago, (where the perpetrator was actually watching and waiting for his opportunity to strike) and thenhaving the PI ZOOM in on my boobs while I was bending over (thinking no one would notice, because I would not ever expose myself in that way if I thought some one could observe it), was a bit unsettling (and a little bit of a violation, having to watch it on tape, preserved for eternity...).

This does not reflect on the professionalism of the P.I. taking that film and represents pure voyerism. He is not supposed to "zoom" in on your boobs. Is this a claimed body part?

Anyway in my professional opinion, and I have did a Master's thesis on voyerism and exhibitism, this is pure voyerism.

So if you would like to make a complaint to the professional licensing agency and would like my help contact me via my email on the side bar.

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andyourlittledogtoo
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Sunday December 18, 2005 8:03 AM

You're right, that investigator should be at the very least ostracized by the IC for such an immature and inappropriate action. If there is a licensing agency that can censure that kind of behavior he should be reported to it. I'm sorry that happened to you.

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rumbler
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Sunday December 18, 2005 9:49 AM

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Edited: Friday February 03, 2006 at 12:46 AM by rumbler

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Sunday December 18, 2005 3:32 PM

Rumbler: My point exactually.

You can do a web search and find the licensing address and contact information. Just put in: Private Investigation State of California Licensing. That should get you started. The state has a website for every licensing board.

Good Luck.

Edited: Sunday December 18, 2005 at 3:33 PM by injuredworker101@yahoo.com

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rumbler
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Sunday December 18, 2005 4:29 PM

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Edited: Friday February 03, 2006 at 12:48 AM by rumbler

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Sunday December 18, 2005 5:41 PM

When I was working on my Master's degree, I had a peeping tom bothering me. So I decided to educate myself on this issue and chose this typic. I researched papers and documents all over the U.S. I also came upon a lot of information on other "unaccepted" areas of sexual perversion.

My Masters is in social work. I have worked in rape crisis centers so I am a bit more attuned to how these issues can come about. Insodently, this is why it bothered me also to have had to endure the guy siting out there and following me etc. I still think it is a total insult to a woman in this day and age and that it should be changed to require same sex following etc.

Your P.I. guy was so gracious to film what he did on you. This is an example of his boundries being blurred. He let his enjoyment of his perversion get into his professionalism. This is a no no. It is similiar to a therapist becoming envolved sexually with a client. Forbibden territory at the least and grounds for revocation of license.

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rumbler
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Sunday December 18, 2005 5:43 PM

Edited: Friday February 03, 2006 at 12:49 AM by rumbler

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injuredworker101@yahoo.com
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Sunday December 18, 2005 5:46 PM

Thank you for those sites. They will be helpful to many. I will look them up as well. Stick around, your input is always welcome. It is here that you will learn much about comp. This place has been my savior.

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rumbler
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Sunday December 18, 2005 6:26 PM

Edited: Friday February 03, 2006 at 12:52 AM by rumbler

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